23 September 2009

Glenn Grothman: still opposed to kindergarten.

I have to start wondering if Glenn had a really bad time in Kindergarten.

Senate to hear kindergarten bill

“Kindergarten is the foundation for everything a child learns,” Jauch said. “It assures good social interaction and helps cement learning tools children will rely upon as they go through school.”

However, not all senators agree with the bill’s purpose. Sen. Glenn Grothman, R-West Bend, said school districts are seeing many parents enroll their kids in kindergarten, but the kids do not show up at an acceptable rate, something he said parents should not be punished for.

Furthermore, Grothman said he opposes the bill because he believes parents should have a choice in their child’s education and this bill restricts that choice.

“Some parents like to take care of their own children. There is no reason why they shouldn’t be able to do that,” Grothman said.
Because making kindergarten available is really just communism in disguise. Like all public education.



PaulyW said...

Its choice Mark. We have more freedom pulled from us every day. What is the harm done by keeping a child home if you feel they are not ready for school?
Nanny state politicians looking for more state aid money so they have additional tax income to work with is what it's all about.

Mpeterson said...

It's still a choice Pauly. But I'm trying to see how have the choice to improve your child's education (see the data from every state in the union and internationally) actually harms our freedoms.

A state, a representative government assembled from a free people and charged with providing for the common defense and promoting the general welfare is, I'd have to say, not my idea of a Nanny State.

It's not about finding new ways to tax you... it's about finding new ways to promote the general welfare. The excesses happen when corporations get control of the process, not when people do. The abuses happen (in spending and taxing) when government throws money to corporations, not when they return the money to the electorate in the form of useful services.

Where do I have that wrong?

PaulyW said...


Name 1 government program that was put in place to fix a problem and after the problem was fixed, it went away? Problem is, Government is not looking out for our better good, it is sustaining itself and creating government jobs. If you want to fix poverty, create the jobs, lower cost of living and get those people involved in paying for services. Yet that has been going on for decades and still we have poor people not able to get out because they don't need to.. we keep handing them money for nothing.

Back to the schools. Kindergarden does not make or break a childs educational process. It's fun time. And a parent should have a choice.

Mpeterson said...

Happy to Pauly, if you can name one social problem that has ever gone away.

Social issues can't be resolved and put behind us... they're on going.

Poverty? War? Education? Roads, sewers, water, air pollution?

Name a single problem that even CAN go away.

So it's really a matter of whether we empower our government to address the problem on behalf of the entire country, rather than leave that problem in the hands of private industry. Typically, we wait until private industry has screwed it up badly enough that getting the government involved became necessary to prevent even MORE damage.

So, like, is there something about kindergarten that can be "fixed" and then forgotten about?

Mpeterson said...

Oh, and see my previous posts about the efficacy of kindergartens for education. You wouldn't say what you did had you read any of the reports.